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Post by jonnyashton on Oct 5, 2019 11:51:48 GMT
If 1 person on here or TSIG can honestly say that the club is better now than before the little nasty decided on removing the director and anyone else who he perceived as not with the little nasty then good on you. If you are happy with finances, the laughable board, the attendances, the new "fans", income, then good on you. However you are all wrong. You know you are. You are not willing to say otherwise or do anything. Why? The tyrant? Consequences? Too late to alter things? Definitely the last 1.
Please don't say you do it as we have and suffered for it. There was absolutely no reason for what happened other than a man suffering from s.m.s. who wanted his way. You listened to his bullshit and Had to believe it.
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Post by fcum on Oct 5, 2019 12:17:16 GMT
If 1 person on here or TSIG can honestly say that the club is better now than before the little nasty decided on removing the director and anyone else who he perceived as not with the little nasty then good on you. If you are happy with finances, the laughable board, the attendances, the new "fans", income, then good on you. However you are all wrong. You know you are. You are not willing to say otherwise or do anything. Why? The tyrant? Consequences? Too late to alter things? Definitely the last 1. Please don't say you do it as we have and suffered for it. There was absolutely no reason for what happened other than a man suffering from s.m.s. who wanted his way. You listened to his bullshit and Had to believe it. The finances are certainly better. We're profitable. If it wasn't for the FA Cup, the loss in 2015/16 would have been eye watering with no real plan or strategy as to how the position could be addressed. This was despite having a full time employee supposedly working on BD. The current board may be small (perhaps too small) in number but it's effective. There's no reason to have an 11 person board containing individuals with few or no discernible skills. At least we know what's going on. Compare and contrast the current summaries and board reports against what used to be issued. The Chair may not be liked by all but at least he communicates. We can been thankful the board isn't wasting its time cooking up plans to introduce a code of conduct or police the internet. Things aren't perfect. Attendances need to improve but we're sustainable despite the levels of debt we're signed to to.
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Post by jonnyashton on Oct 5, 2019 14:05:39 GMT
Without going around in circles, things would have improved if the board and director at the time didn't have so many issues to deal with. We all know them. The main contractor etc. The tirade launched at the then board plus many others.The Benfica debacle. However, the little fella made it worse financially and time wasted dealing with his legal onslaught alone. Never mind the other problems he and his cronies created. You also, I believe have a bigger wage bill now than then. Even with the other AW on the books.
Blaming AW for mistakes isn't wholly justified. He made some as he and us had never been in that position before. It was all new to us.
The club would in my opinion be in a much better position if things were done differently without the short chaps intervention. However, it's done and the club is still alive but worse off without the many he seen off. There was if nothing else a rich vein of goodwill and hard work available which he alone saw off.
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Post by freebarrygeorge on Oct 5, 2019 16:53:19 GMT
The finances are certainly better. We're profitable. If it wasn't for the FA Cup, the loss in 2015/16 would have been eye watering with no real plan or strategy as to how the position could be addressed. This was despite having a full time employee supposedly working on BD. The current board may be small (perhaps too small) in number but it's effective. There's no reason to have an 11 person board containing individuals with few or no discernible skills. At least we know what's going on. Compare and contrast the current summaries and board reports against what used to be issued. The Chair may not be liked by all but at least he communicates. We can been thankful the board isn't wasting its time cooking up plans to introduce a code of conduct or police the internet. Things aren't perfect. Attendances need to improve but we're sustainable despite the levels of debt we're signed to to. REALLY? Ok then,lets start with the DF fund Awaiting your explanation........
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Post by fcum on Oct 5, 2019 18:11:28 GMT
The finances are certainly better. We're profitable. If it wasn't for the FA Cup, the loss in 2015/16 would have been eye watering with no real plan or strategy as to how the position could be addressed. This was despite having a full time employee supposedly working on BD. The current board may be small (perhaps too small) in number but it's effective. There's no reason to have an 11 person board containing individuals with few or no discernible skills. At least we know what's going on. Compare and contrast the current summaries and board reports against what used to be issued. The Chair may not be liked by all but at least he communicates. We can been thankful the board isn't wasting its time cooking up plans to introduce a code of conduct or police the internet. Things aren't perfect. Attendances need to improve but we're sustainable despite the levels of debt we're signed to to. REALLY? Ok then,lets start with the DF fund Awaiting your explanation........ My explanation of what exactly? Where the money is? Perhaps it's been spent servicing debt, repaying debt, ground maintenance and improvements? Do you think it should be sat there waiting to develop the away end or finish the main stand? It's pie in the sky. We couldn't afford what was built.
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Post by freebarrygeorge on Oct 6, 2019 8:45:44 GMT
REALLY? Ok then,lets start with the DF fund Awaiting your explanation........ My explanation of what exactly? Where the money is? Perhaps it's been spent servicing debt, repaying debt, ground maintenance and improvements? Do you think it should be sat there waiting to develop the away end or finish the main stand? It's pie in the sky. We couldn't afford what was built. Your explanation of whats happened to the DF money. I know your memory is selective but wasnt the Walshocracy pilloried by the wee fella and his lickspittle brigade for using DF money for other purposes?? At least in those days the amounts were published to the members!! You have stated that the funds have perhaps "been spent servicing debt, repaying debt, ground maintenance and improvements" (BTW you missed out wages) which we all know to be 99.999999% certain factual but what about the absolute expressed will of the membership in a vote following the Coup to ringfence all DF monies?? Have the Board either past or present got the right to so blatantly ignore the memberships wishes to not use the monies for alternative purposes??? Democracy and all that?? Regarding previous comments about the cup run in 2015, your observations are quite correct concerning the state of of Clubs finances without that income, but on the same level playing field, the club would have unquestionably gone out of existence without the monies from the Rochdale and Brighton games. However you seem to conveniently have forgotten where the club would be without the generosity of £60k+ worth of loans made by members in the close season 2018 to keep the club afloat which have been conveniently lost in the accounts under debts heading and also the £20k donated by a family in June this year. Finally you are 150% correct that we could not afford the ground build whichever regime would have been at the helm but that was naivety and delusions of grandeur that were shared by the entire membership whos business acumen was lacking to say the least. It was not built for any ulterior motive reasons. Its very easy now criticising isnt it but where were your or the wee fellas objections at the time???
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Post by jonnyashton on Oct 6, 2019 11:04:09 GMT
FCUM would probably say "I went along with AW believing he was right". Until from a few thousand miles away along came the messiah. Who knew all that was "wrong". He rose and journeyed to Moston and preached to us all. Then we believed. 😁. Preformed his miracles and then departed leaving his disciples to lead the flock.
Absolutely no other reason other than AW and his lackies got it wrong. 🙄. Of course. Ask anyone in CYCM or the rag that no longer publishes.
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Post by fcum on Oct 6, 2019 11:05:28 GMT
My explanation of what exactly? Where the money is? Perhaps it's been spent servicing debt, repaying debt, ground maintenance and improvements? Do you think it should be sat there waiting to develop the away end or finish the main stand? It's pie in the sky. We couldn't afford what was built. Your explanation of whats happened to the DF money. I know your memory is selective but wasnt the Walshocracy pilloried by the wee fella and his lickspittle brigade for using DF money for other purposes?? At least in those days the amounts were published to the members!! You have stated that the funds have perhaps "been spent servicing debt, repaying debt, ground maintenance and improvements" (BTW you missed out wages) which we all know to be 99.999999% certain factual but what about the absolute expressed will of the membership in a vote following the Coup to ringfence all DF monies?? Have the Board either past or present got the right to so blatantly ignore the memberships wishes to not use the monies for alternative purposes??? Democracy and all that?? Regarding previous comments about the cup run in 2015, your observations are quite correct concerning the state of of Clubs finances without that income, but on the same level playing field, the club would have unquestionably gone out of existence without the monies from the Rochdale and Brighton games. However you seem to conveniently have forgotten where the club would be without the generosity of £60k+ worth of loans made by members in the close season 2018 to keep the club afloat which have been conveniently lost in the accounts under debts heading and also the £20k donated by a family in June this year. Finally you are 150% correct that we could not afford the ground build whichever regime would have been at the helm but that was naivety and delusions of grandeur that were shared by the entire membership whos business acumen was lacking to say the least. It was not built for any ulterior motive reasons. Its very easy now criticising isnt it but where were your or the wee fellas objections at the time??? Why would expenditure of that nature (your wages allegation aside) flout the DF resolution?
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Post by freebarrygeorge on Oct 6, 2019 16:05:36 GMT
Your explanation of whats happened to the DF money. I know your memory is selective but wasnt the Walshocracy pilloried by the wee fella and his lickspittle brigade for using DF money for other purposes?? At least in those days the amounts were published to the members!! You have stated that the funds have perhaps "been spent servicing debt, repaying debt, ground maintenance and improvements" (BTW you missed out wages) which we all know to be 99.999999% certain factual but what about the absolute expressed will of the membership in a vote following the Coup to ringfence all DF monies?? Have the Board either past or present got the right to so blatantly ignore the memberships wishes to not use the monies for alternative purposes??? Democracy and all that?? Regarding previous comments about the cup run in 2015, your observations are quite correct concerning the state of of Clubs finances without that income, but on the same level playing field, the club would have unquestionably gone out of existence without the monies from the Rochdale and Brighton games. However you seem to conveniently have forgotten where the club would be without the generosity of £60k+ worth of loans made by members in the close season 2018 to keep the club afloat which have been conveniently lost in the accounts under debts heading and also the £20k donated by a family in June this year. Finally you are 150% correct that we could not afford the ground build whichever regime would have been at the helm but that was naivety and delusions of grandeur that were shared by the entire membership whos business acumen was lacking to say the least. It was not built for any ulterior motive reasons. Its very easy now criticising isnt it but where were your or the wee fellas objections at the time??? Why would expenditure of that nature (your wages allegation aside) flout the DF resolution? Because, as strangely enough the name implies, the "DEVELOPMENT fund" was ringfenced specifically for future DEVELOPMENT of the ground as it was not deemed appropriate by democratic vote of the members to be used for "servicing debt, repaying debt, ground maintenance and improvements" (and yes....wages) Now which part of that exactly dont you understand my friend???
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Post by fcum on Oct 6, 2019 16:39:55 GMT
Why would expenditure of that nature (your wages allegation aside) flout the DF resolution? Because, as strangely enough the name implies, the "DEVELOPMENT fund" was ringfenced specifically for future DEVELOPMENT of the ground as it was not deemed appropriate by democratic vote of the members to be used for "servicing debt, repaying debt, ground maintenance and improvements" (and yes....wages) Now which part of that exactly dont you understand my friend??? If you're referring to the 2018 resolution then perhaps you should read it? The Development Fund is to be used for the purposes of procuring, building, development, maintenance, repayment of loans/interest associated to the clubs ground/stadium and expenses incurred in the administration of the fund.
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Post by shadow on Oct 10, 2019 9:12:20 GMT
It had all been spunked away long before that resolution was passed. Ask the former Board member responsible, PC. He had no idea where it went and never got an explanation. That broke the fundamental ring fencing rule of the DF at the time.
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Post by jonnyashton on Oct 12, 2019 15:40:56 GMT
United United reunited? Hmmm. 1800 ish. What does that say with it being non league day too? Disunited? Or people no longer believe the hype? The legacy lives on.
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Post by shadow on Oct 13, 2019 8:06:12 GMT
300 more than the last Saturday home game. Would it have happened anyway on an international weekend without the United thing? It’s hard to say but I do doubt whether any OT regulars are suddenly going to visit FC as part of an anti Glazer protest more than 14 years on. That ship sailed a long time ago. I suspect more are likely to go and watch Salford these days.
About the 7-0 win, well you can’t do much more than that. Was it just one of those days? Were FC good or Buxton a very poor relegation threatened side? Apart from South Shields there appear to be no outstanding sides in this league. This could be the headmasters big chance to achieve something in a poor league and arrest the decline. So much flows from success on the pitch so let’s see what happens now.
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Post by jonnyashton on Oct 13, 2019 8:28:40 GMT
You are right. They need to leave it now. Times are different and people have moved on. Salford is a decent alternative to some, not myself but it will be for many.
The whole ethos has been watered down by the current masters. No need to go into that again. United are having a bad time and the crowd there want the regime changing not their support moving. And that needs doing. So forget United day folks.
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Post by jonnyashton on Nov 20, 2019 9:54:02 GMT
Another record crowd reflecting the success of the club. 372. The same game in 2015, before the dirty takeover got more than 3 times the crowd. Maybe the majority of are fans were supporting Corbyn on TV. Oh, except maybe a couple of the revolutionaries who have fathers in high places who maybe shouting for the main prick in charge of our country.
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