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May 20, 2019 11:20:45 GMT
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Post by jonnyashton on May 20, 2019 11:20:45 GMT
Change the record. Your comrade said the previous players under previous managers wouldn't "get off their arses". Now when 53 players are tried under this manager it is a reasonable question to ask. Specifically when a positive result wasn't the outcome. That is 2 short of 5 different teams! Or is that a reasonable thing to do when trying to stay up? I would think stability would be an item on the agenda. However he's the Gaffer and knows best.
Why don't we see figures relating to all the money frittered away instead of us taking the word.Time and time again we are told the incapabilities of the previous squanderings. Put some meat on the bones and show us where the cash was squandered. I will give you a start. Solicitors. Get somebody in and show us all the misdemeanours of the man/men/women. Your answer... We don't want to waste more money 🙄.
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Post by thunderwing on May 20, 2019 15:17:58 GMT
Change the record. Your comrade said the previous players under previous managers wouldn't "get off their arses". Now when 53 players are tried under this manager it is a reasonable question to ask. Specifically when a positive result wasn't the outcome. That is 2 short of 5 different teams! Or is that a reasonable thing to do when trying to stay up? I would think stability would be an item on the agenda. However he's the Gaffer and knows best. Why don't we see figures relating to all the money frittered away instead of us taking the word.Time and time again we are told the incapabilities of the previous squanderings. Put some meat on the bones and show us where the cash was squandered. I will give you a start. Solicitors. Get somebody in and show us all the misdemeanours of the man/men/women. Your answer... We don't want to waste more money 🙄. Good point. Let's start with the ground delays, building costs, consultancies, fundraising, communications and business development. For the record, Greaves left the playing squad in a terrible state along with his belligerent attitude to spending. Basically we started and was left with a squad of fat Richie Baker clones and a pile of overpaid journeymen on a non league Kings ransome.
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Post by freebarrygeorge on May 20, 2019 16:36:38 GMT
Change the record. Your comrade said the previous players under previous managers wouldn't "get off their arses". Now when 53 players are tried under this manager it is a reasonable question to ask. Specifically when a positive result wasn't the outcome. That is 2 short of 5 different teams! Or is that a reasonable thing to do when trying to stay up? I would think stability would be an item on the agenda. However he's the Gaffer and knows best. Why don't we see figures relating to all the money frittered away instead of us taking the word.Time and time again we are told the incapabilities of the previous squanderings. Put some meat on the bones and show us where the cash was squandered. I will give you a start. Solicitors. Get somebody in and show us all the misdemeanours of the man/men/women. Your answer... We don't want to waste more money 🙄. Good point. Let's start with the ground delays, building costs, consultancies, fundraising, communications and business development. For the record, Greaves left the playing squad in a terrible state along with his belligerent attitude to spending. Basically we started and was left with a squad of fat Richie Baker clones and a pile of overpaid journeymen on a non league Kings ransome. For the avoidance of any doubt please could you remind us who hounded the Manager out that Greaves replaced and indeed confirm that the person who sanctioned the appointment of Greaves was indeed that same person!! And oh dear I nearly forgot!! Silly me!! And who hounded Greaves out of his job with vile abuse?? And sorry once again I forgot again, who was it who recruited Reyno the messiah single handedly??
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Post by thunderwing on May 20, 2019 19:17:59 GMT
Good point. Let's start with the ground delays, building costs, consultancies, fundraising, communications and business development. For the record, Greaves left the playing squad in a terrible state along with his belligerent attitude to spending. Basically we started and was left with a squad of fat Richie Baker clones and a pile of overpaid journeymen on a non league Kings ransome. For the avoidance of any doubt please could you remind us who hounded the Manager out that Greaves replaced and indeed confirm that the person who sanctioned the appointment of Greaves was indeed that same person!! And oh dear I nearly forgot!! Silly me!! And who hounded Greaves out of his job with vile abuse?? And sorry once again I forgot again, who was it who recruited Reyno the messiah single handedly?? It must be hard to remain so consistently boring. Try these words they could apply equally and/or collectively Underperforming Belligerent Clueless Disrespectful Liar Unqualified Two faced
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Post by freebarrygeorge on May 20, 2019 19:30:10 GMT
For the avoidance of any doubt please could you remind us who hounded the Manager out that Greaves replaced and indeed confirm that the person who sanctioned the appointment of Greaves was indeed that same person!! And oh dear I nearly forgot!! Silly me!! And who hounded Greaves out of his job with vile abuse?? And sorry once again I forgot again, who was it who recruited Reyno the messiah single handedly?? It must be hard to remain so consistently boring. Try these words they could apply equally and/or collectively Underperforming Belligerent Clueless Disrespectful Liar Unqualified Two facedWho you referring to with the above?? Please tell as those descriptions could equally apply to:- a) you / The communicator / the reporter / MUFC-OK or any of the other nics you use*** b) Tom Greaves who was appointed by you / The communicator / the reporter / MUFC-OK or any of the other nics you use*** c) Reyno who was appointed by you / The communicator / the reporter / MUFC-OK or any of the other nics you use*** *** delete as appropriate or inappropriate
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May 21, 2019 9:22:23 GMT
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Post by jonnyashton on May 21, 2019 9:22:23 GMT
I'll ask again. Let's have some steadfast facts and figures. There have been many allegations of mismanagement and a squandering of funds. Please show us a breakdown of the books say from 2013 to 2016. Not difficult if you are a board member.
I don't recall in the stonkingly good book any spreadsheets or tables relating to the earlier regime. Give us a list of debters, bills paid etc. It is a people's club so come on please.
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Post by thunderwing on May 21, 2019 9:29:23 GMT
It must be hard to remain so consistently boring. Try these words they could apply equally and/or collectively Underperforming Belligerent Clueless Disrespectful Liar Unqualified Two facedWho you referring to with the above?? Please tell as those descriptions could equally apply to:- a) you / The communicator / the reporter / MUFC-OK or any of the other nics you use*** b) Tom Greaves who was appointed by you / The communicator / the reporter / MUFC-OK or any of the other nics you use*** c) Reyno who was appointed by you / The communicator / the reporter / MUFC-OK or any of the other nics you use*** *** delete as appropriate or inappropriate I'll let you work that one out eh? Should I be flattered that I am being associated with who you think I am or am not as the case may be? If I am not who you think I might be I'll just confirm that if it was the case that I am not the or those persons that my views would align perfectly with those persons you have mentioned if indeed they are one and the same - apart from Tom Greaves views of course. I can confirm that I am not Tom Greaves although you would have probably worked that one out between you all.
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Post by shadow on May 21, 2019 10:43:03 GMT
Be careful, you'll have the PM quoting you on TSIO and labelling you as typical of the FWF with that post. I'm going to try to decipher it later.
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May 22, 2019 7:10:33 GMT
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Post by jonnyashton on May 22, 2019 7:10:33 GMT
Funny how you ask for proof of allegations and......
If and just if there is some solid proof of the squandering of funds then mYbe just maybe you may change the minds of the majority on here. However after 3 years there hasn't been any.
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Post by thunderwing on May 22, 2019 9:42:05 GMT
Funny how you ask for proof of allegations and...... If and just if there is some solid proof of the squandering of funds then mYbe just maybe you may change the minds of the majority on here. However after 3 years there hasn't been any. There to see and well documented - ground delays, building costs, consultancies, fundraising, communications and business development. You can add gross incompetence, egotism and ignorance as chronic behavioural contributors to the list.
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Post by freebarrygeorge on May 22, 2019 11:15:08 GMT
Funny how you ask for proof of allegations and...... If and just if there is some solid proof of the squandering of funds then mYbe just maybe you may change the minds of the majority on here. However after 3 years there hasn't been any. There to see and well documented - ground delays, building costs, consultancies, fundraising, communications and business development. You can add gross incompetence, egotism and ignorance as chronic behavioural contributors to the list. Thunders you really are a blinkered vindictive chappy. 1 So no fault can be attributed to Manchester City Council?? 2 What was the fundraisng like back then to now?? 3 How much would it have cost to employ the relevant professionals to have ensured that none of the problems you highlighted arose?? 4 Where were you / the PM when all this was going on as there appears to be a large void from when you / The PM created the club and 2015 after all the hard work was done and FC were in the ground? 5 Why did it take you and your mates a whole 10 years to notice all the faults and why didnt you / your mates / the PM intervene?? The majority of the problems were in the domain of not only the members but indeed the public. 6 If you / your mates / the PM thought you could do better then why didnt you put yourself / selves up to help until after the ground build was in the main complete?? 7 Does no credit whatsoever go to the previous regime or do you take all the credit for the groundbuild 8 Could you / your mates / The PM have done any better 9 Now that you / your mates / The PM are running the club is all in the garden rosy or in the years to come will it be deemed that the regimes since the Walshocracy departed the club were "gross incompetence, egotism and ignorance as chronic behavioural contributors to the list". ?? Awaiting the usual riddles and non answer from you and your cohorts.
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May 22, 2019 12:00:37 GMT
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Post by jonnyashton on May 22, 2019 12:00:37 GMT
Funny how you ask for proof of allegations and...... If and just if there is some solid proof of the squandering of funds then mYbe just maybe you may change the minds of the majority on here. However after 3 years there hasn't been any. There to see and well documented - ground delays, building costs, consultancies, fundraising, communications and business development. You can add gross incompetence, egotism and ignorance as chronic behavioural contributors to the list. And where are the documents that are well documented relating to the squandering please? I don't really think the building delays and costs were down to the regime though. Its alright putting words on a forum but that adds to not 1 jot.
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Post by shadow on May 22, 2019 12:04:59 GMT
You will never get a straight answer because their game is all about attacking people they want rid of - or want to make sure don't come back. The on going thread on the official forum entitled "April board meeting held 7th May summary up" is a perfect example. It is a deliberate attack on one person, however, there are others including the Chairman and the PM who are responsible for policy and decision making on the matter who should be held accountable.
So what happens? Nobody dares to have a go at the PM and the Chairman has his backside kissed!
It's all so blatant, you have to laugh.
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Post by thunderwing on May 22, 2019 12:58:48 GMT
There to see and well documented - ground delays, building costs, consultancies, fundraising, communications and business development. You can add gross incompetence, egotism and ignorance as chronic behavioural contributors to the list. Thunders you really are a blinkered vindictive chappy. 1 So no fault can be attributed to Manchester City Council?? No2 What was the fundraisng like back then to now?? Better now3 How much would it have cost to employ the relevant professionals to have ensured that none of the problems you highlighted arose?? A lot less and more productive.4 Where were you / the PM when all this was going on as there appears to be a large void from when you / The PM created the club and 2015 after all the hard work was done and FC were in the ground? At FC United5 Why did it take you and your mates a whole 10 years to notice all the faults and why didnt you / your mates / the PM intervene?? The majority of the problems were in the domain of not only the members but indeed the public. All the fools and nutcases in and around the leaders temple were being sucked along in the pathetic euphoria of the seemingly untouchable Walshocracy. The reaction happened at the right time. Just in time. For the record the problems were in the domain of the totally ineffective bunch of clowns who were running the Club on behalf of the members. 6 If you / your mates / the PM thought you could do better then why didnt you put yourself / selves up to help until after the ground build was in the main complete?? I did my fair share during the build. Not really feasible putting myself up due to other commitments, travel and being self employed. Otherwise I contribute.7 Does no credit whatsoever go to the previous regime or do you take all the credit for the groundbuild. You are being serious aren't you? The ground is a credit to the Club. Nine months overdue and overspent is an embarrassment. 8 Could you / your mates / The PM have done any better Yes9 Now that you / your mates / The PM are running the club is all in the garden rosy or in the years to come will it be deemed that the regimes since the Walshocracy departed the club were "gross incompetence, egotism and ignorance as chronic behavioural contributors to the list". ?? The Club will still be in existence, a state that was looking very very precarious mid 2015 so much so it was hanging by threads. Stability is key and that has now been achieved through impetus, effort and governance. Awaiting the usual riddles and non answer from you and your cohorts. Blinkered and vindictive? Try realistic
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May 22, 2019 14:37:00 GMT
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Post by jonnyashton on May 22, 2019 14:37:00 GMT
So the Council were not at fault? Why? Pretty sure we were promised TAL. Then when the Arabs turned up it was squashed. So if they're not to blame it must have been AW. So what did he do to scupper TAL then? Oh and the proof to all the monetary mishaps they created to put the club in jeopardy please?
Shame the Pm wasn't there wasn't it as had he been around think what we could have been. Then again no.
Wasn't he in lands far adrift at the time? Strange how he left the scene for so many years. Then turned up right when the board had made such a mess of things. Nothing to do with RI CYCM and the mag that no longer exists I suppose.
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