wwiii
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Post by wwiii on Feb 23, 2017 10:08:45 GMT
The people running this club means the people that we as members have elected as our representatives. The new board members are working to fulfill their vision of what the club should be. What is different about this particular board is that half of them have an agenda that does not fit with a large section of the membership. FCUM is a political organisation with a football club attached. Like other political organisations, it is divided up into factions with their own narratives and agendas. The setting up of this forum has provided a platform for people who do not share the narrative of this new board faction that takes its lead in large part from TSIO forum contributors. The influence of particular factions in political organisations ebbs and flows according to their strengths and weaknesses in the eyes of its membership. Those of you talking about throwing your toys out of the pram should accept this. If you care enough about how the club should be run, organise yourselves, stand up and be counted. Some of us are in this for the long haul.
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Post by frankbough on Feb 23, 2017 10:17:22 GMT
I think you have to accept that the coup d'état is now complete, do you seriously believe anyone with a slight affection for their own or their family's sanity or wellbeing is going to stick his, or especially her head above the parapet and challenge the current orthodoxy?
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Post by oddball on Feb 23, 2017 15:10:54 GMT
Nothing to do with politics or agendas for me, it's about treating people as decent human beings whatever their opinions. A lot of the current board (and some of their supporters) don't qualify and some of them do not appear to have a sense of irony in that what they were accusing the old board of doing, they are actually doing it themselves. We aren't talking about a large number of the membership who are holding court right now, perhaps 40 to 50 who manifest themselves permanently on both TSIO and the official forum. The narrator of this post needs to remember that we all threw our toys out of the pram with Glazer in 2005. I'll put my own conscience above the club all day long when it comes to this.
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Post by glumfcer on Feb 23, 2017 16:56:57 GMT
'it's about treating people as decent human beings'the heart of the matter
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Post by fcumfan on Feb 23, 2017 17:12:55 GMT
Nothing to do with politics or agendas for me, it's about treating people as decent human beings whatever their opinions. A lot of the current board (and some of their supporters) don't qualify and some of them do not appear to have a sense of irony in that what they were accusing the old board of doing, they are actually doing it themselves. We aren't talking about a large number of the membership who are holding court right now, perhaps 40 to 50 who manifest themselves permanently on both TSIO and the official forum. The narrator of this post needs to remember that we all threw our toys out of the pram with Glazer in 2005. I'll put my own conscience above the club all day long when it comes to this. Is it possible to provide examples of current board members not treating people as decent human beings?
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Post by quornmuncher on Feb 23, 2017 21:51:21 GMT
FCUM is a political organisation with a football club attached. No it isn't. It's a football club for Manchester United supporters and their families who won't stand for being fucked about.
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Post by nostrings on Feb 24, 2017 9:52:34 GMT
The stuff posted on here has been enlightening in that many people can now see the facts about the club as opposed to the propaganda displayed elsewhere by only about 20-30 individuals, mainly lapdogs agreeing with the vitriolic opinions.
We all know that veiled threats and personal attacks on people who oppose the part line have meant that the previous 2 forums have become no go zones if you wish to protect personal and business safety. The identity protection and exposure of people’s egotistical actions on this forum will not have got down well with people who only hold their opinion as being the only voice worthy of being listened to.
It is an obvious tactic to try to discredit this board by setting up false accounts to give opinions that can be easily mocked and deemed as “cranks” or “fuckwits”. This is meant to undermine the legitimate opinions and facts posted on here. The political poster who started this thread is very much not attuned with what this board wants to achieve and this leads me to be at best sceptical that they are a true opinion, and at worst just some busy bastard playing with themselves mischeviously. The lazy political diatribe and personal agenda are more in line with the usual hangers on that post on TSIO and write for AFL (Lev and co.).
Easy to stop made up stuff from the people who are still trying to justify the vicious actions of the past 21 months. Best ignored and carry on with getting the truth message across.
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Post by oddball on Feb 28, 2017 9:54:31 GMT
The biggest problem the club faces now is that the goodwill of a lot of people has gone. The club is getting smaller, turning in on itself, as it does it becomes less of a deal for an increasing number of people. Gates dwindle and so on. A lot of people can't be arsed with the shit flying around on a long term basis so what you're left with is a shortage of volunteers and vacancies for posts within the club itself. Sadly there's no room for pragmatism or moderate views on the matters in hand and I think the club is in decline, it certainly doesn't have the feel of anything special anymore. There's no doubt a power behind the throne thing is going on as well which sullies things even more, there's a definite clique of people who are holding court. It'll be interesting to see where things are by the end of 2017 especially with the accounts, by then the current board will have had 18 months. There comes a point when you can't pin failures on others anymore.
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Post by fcumfan on Feb 28, 2017 10:22:23 GMT
The biggest problem the club faces now is that the goodwill of a lot of people has gone. The club is getting smaller, turning in on itself, as it does it becomes less of a deal for an increasing number of people. Gates dwindle and so on. A lot of people can't be arsed with the shit flying around on a long term basis so what you're left with is a shortage of volunteers and vacancies for posts within the club itself. Sadly there's no room for pragmatism or moderate views on the matters in hand and I think the club is in decline, it certainly doesn't have the feel of anything special anymore. There's no doubt a power behind the throne thing is going on as well which sullies things even more, there's a definite clique of people who are holding court. It'll be interesting to see where things are by the end of 2017 especially with the accounts, by then the current board will have had 18 months. There comes a point when you can't pin failures on others anymore. To an outsider the new board seems to be being pragmatic with its plans to cut costs and increase revenues which is necessary for the club to survive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 12:01:46 GMT
The biggest problem the club faces now is that the goodwill of a lot of people has gone. The club is getting smaller, turning in on itself, as it does it becomes less of a deal for an increasing number of people. Gates dwindle and so on. A lot of people can't be arsed with the shit flying around on a long term basis so what you're left with is a shortage of volunteers and vacancies for posts within the club itself. Sadly there's no room for pragmatism or moderate views on the matters in hand and I think the club is in decline, it certainly doesn't have the feel of anything special anymore. There's no doubt a power behind the throne thing is going on as well which sullies things even more, there's a definite clique of people who are holding court. It'll be interesting to see where things are by the end of 2017 especially with the accounts, by then the current board will have had 18 months. There comes a point when you can't pin failures on others anymore. We should be getting behind the new Board or at least helping it along with constructive criticism. They were democratically elected at the EGM and received a fresh mandate at the AGM.
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Post by nostrings on Feb 28, 2017 14:58:19 GMT
We should be getting behind the new Board or at least helping it along with constructive criticism. They were democratically elected at the EGM and received a fresh mandate at the AGM. .....about time we had some levity on here. I think the idea of automatically supporting elected board members has been thrown out over the past 2 years wit the infamous baby and bath water. And as for allowing democracy at FC, well the vitriolic treatment that forced many elected board members to resign and attempts to ruin the lives and livelihoods of many board members means that ideal has been killed off. The days of us all being United are long gone and cuntery is now the norm. You reap what you sow etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 15:15:40 GMT
Indeed you do. Indeed you do.
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Post by greg24 on Mar 1, 2017 13:48:10 GMT
Although very disturbed by what happened over the 12 months following the move to BP, I decided not to walk away but stay and try to help OUR club succeed. What I have witnessed over the last few months has unfortunately made me feel I can no longer be part of it. Ten years of volunteering has finished. I'm not 'throwing my toys out', but in all concience cannot continue to be part it.
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Post by oddball on Mar 1, 2017 16:47:13 GMT
The biggest problem the club faces now is that the goodwill of a lot of people has gone. The club is getting smaller, turning in on itself, as it does it becomes less of a deal for an increasing number of people. Gates dwindle and so on. A lot of people can't be arsed with the shit flying around on a long term basis so what you're left with is a shortage of volunteers and vacancies for posts within the club itself. Sadly there's no room for pragmatism or moderate views on the matters in hand and I think the club is in decline, it certainly doesn't have the feel of anything special anymore. There's no doubt a power behind the throne thing is going on as well which sullies things even more, there's a definite clique of people who are holding court. It'll be interesting to see where things are by the end of 2017 especially with the accounts, by then the current board will have had 18 months. There comes a point when you can't pin failures on others anymore. To an outsider the new board seems to be being pragmatic with its plans to cut costs and increase revenues which is necessary for the club to survive. Is it pragmatism or desperation? I seem to remember it being said people were getting pissed off with the club badgering the membership with a constant begging bowl approach not that long ago but now that appears to have turned around all of a sudden. Hardly pragmatic holding a friendly match which attracted 1500 people when the break even figure for a match is around 2,000 and that probably not including any Police costs on the day. Even all the pints at the bar sold would struggle to make that up so if things are really that bad financially, how can the club condone a loss making friendly mid-season just after we've had to go to the bank for an overdraft?
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Post by mrmystery on Mar 1, 2017 18:12:42 GMT
has another reply to oddball been deleted? The draft figures for that game were released on the members forum, that showed it was a financial success, certainly more benificial than the alternative - do nothing and have no money coming in that weekend, why do you think your understanding of the figures from that game is better than the board members reporting them?
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